Avoiding Traffic Tickets

  andre   
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Here are some tips from a speeding maniac on how to avoid traffic tickets. Not all may apply to your country or location though. I am speeking from past experience in the US and in Germany.

  • If it is legal in your country, get a radar detector. But don't just buy anything. I spent perfectly good money on a Cobra once and regretted it. The thing works but it fires all the time and you start ignoring it. I just bought the Passport 8500 x50 Radar Detector by Escort after reading lots of reviews and test that said it is the best all around detector. On my recent trip I was surprised how well this thing works. Sometimes it took almost a minute until I saw the cop. It warned me around corners and over hills before I could even see the cop.
  • You would be foolish to rely on a detector alone. Even though the all have laser detection, the reading on the laser is instantanous. So when the thing fires it may be too late. Lets face it, cops need to stand and take aim. They cannot sit in their warm cars looking at a display (as with radar). So get into the cops heads and imagine if you were them. I have rarely seen one with a laser gun.
  • On a long and empty stretch of US freeway, there is no way for a cop to hide. So they prefer to stand behind an overpass or a bush. If you are speeding and there is one overpass every 10 miles, it doesn't hurt to slow down there.
  • Some other driver comes at you (from the opposite direction) flashing his/her headlights for no apparent reason. Brake ! The person is most likely kind enough to let you know about a speed trap.
  • Look at your mirror frequently to see if a cop is following you. Watch the traffic ahead and try to see ahead as far as possible to see how drivers react.
  • Only be the fastest car on the road if you have to. There is no problem doing 90 mph if there are other cars doing 95. However keep in mind, there is no guarantee the cop won't pull you over (I have heard from people that had this happen). However its more likely the cop will go after the faster cars (Every ticket I got so far I was the fastest).

Things to remember in Germany

  • No proof no ticket. This means if you pass a cop car while you are way over the speed limit, don't panick. If they didn't have their radar on or laser on you, they have no grounds to keep you. If you are pulled over, never admit anything. When asked, insist you drove at the speed limit.
  • They have a catalog how much you will pay and they actually calculate the money based on days of your income (e.g. 40 days income). So you could pay a LOT if you make a lot. There wont be any adverse affects on your insurance cost and it is pointless to argue.
  • The Polizei uses neutral cars on freeways. They are equipped with cameras and they measure your speed. No way to deny anything. However keep in mind, the cars are all german brand cars (usually Audi, VW, Mercedes, BMW sometimes Porsche or Opel). If you are speeding and passing one of those, they will most likely get behind you. So if you ever pass a german brand car going way slower than you and they start following you for no apparent reason, slow down. It takes them around 15s or so to get your speed.
  • They use automatic cameras to measure your speed. No radar will be involved, the speed is measured with lasers perpendicular to the road. These things are usually hidden. They will fire a flash (usually red). If you ever see a car in front of you being flashed, brake. Ask locals about known speed traps (some are permanent).
  • Turn on your radio and listen to the traffic report. Almost every radio station reports speed traps (people call in to report them).

Allright. These are probably the most important things. Remember, usually there is a reason for speed limits. The best thing is to always drive below the speed limit and follow all rules. Be good Cool

Oh I almost forgot. In Germany and the USA (and I guess most other countries) you do not have to incriminate yourself. It is not against the law to lie to a cop when he asks you how fast you were. Never play dumb though. Cops are not stupid. Insist you drove at the speed limit. Don't argue. Cops don't react well to arguments. If they cought you, just take the ticket. And treat cops like persons. They are just doing a job and are normal humans like yourself. Most people don't like that kind of work and I am sure the cops don't like that part either. So show them the respect they deserve for their jobs.

Andre

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GPS and Escort Radar Detector

I forgoto to mention. I always have a GPS unit wedged between my windshield and my dashboard to tell me the real speed (the spedometer always shows a higher speed).

My dashboard is really dirty, because I just drove through 3 deserts in California and sometimes I had the top down.Smile I use the GPS primarily for Geotagging purposes (syncronizing it to my cameras via timestamps). So I can find out exactly where I shot a photo.

Andre

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  tay   
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Wow thanks Andre for the

Wow thanks Andre for the tips. Over the weekend we traveled to Sawtell on the coast of NSW you wouldnt believe the amount of speed cameras along the highway. They where everywhere. But some people still seem to overtake us and we lose sight of them even though we are doing the speed limit.




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Makes sense. Doing the

Makes sense. Doing the speed limit on some roads in California will make you an obstacle (I-5 and CA-580 are two good examples). You can clearly tell who is a tourist, since they mostly drive speed limit. If the whole traffic flows faster its somewhat annoying :-)

In Germany it doesn't matter if you are the fastest or not. Tickets are automated and everyone will be sent one. But in the US there is no such thing. The cop will have to pull you over. If you are not the fastest one on the road, its pretty much o.k. to drive faster.

How is that in Australia?

Andre

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  tay   
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In Australia we have speed

In Australia we have speed camera's along a lot of busy roads and freeways if you are speeding while passing them your licence plate will be photographed and you will be sent a fine in the mail. But we also have the police who have radas in their cars and who pull you over and give you a fine on the spot. Sometimes you will find a police car trying to hide out of view and they have a rada then up a head you will find more police that pull you over if the previous police car has clocked you speeding,




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Yesterday

I drove quite a distance yesterday (Christmas Eve). What surprised me was the amount of cops on the road. You wouldn't believe how many people got pulled over. My Radar detector fired more often than usual and there were quite a few speed traps. You might think that on a day such as this there wouldn't be so many tickets issued, but it looked to me as if there were more than usual.

I got away again Wink

Andre Gunther

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  tay   
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Over here in Australia we

Over here in Australia we have Demerate points on our Licence. So every time we get booked a point or more will be taken of your licence depending on what you get booked for . Do you all have this on your licence's? And over here at Christmas time or any long weekend they put the points up to double that can be taken off. So instead of one point for speeding you would lose two.




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Here in the states we do get points. If I remember correctly its about 1 point for any ticket, no matter what the offense is. The really sad part about this is, that a point on your record automatically means your insurance premiums will go up. So even if I am a safe driver, I will end up paying more for insurance if I got a speeding ticket.

Every 18 months you can get one point taken off by going to driving school. Fortunately you can do that online now, but in my county I still have to go and take a written test. A few years ago I had to spend the whole day at school.

In Germany its different again. You get points for each offense. The more severe the offense, the more points (up to 7 points per offense). You can accumulate a total of 13 points. If you go to driving school you can get 4 more (I think) and then have your license revoked. Fortunately points do not count towards your insurance payments (only accidents). After driving for 2 years without getting a single point they will deduct some from your account (don't remember how many at a time). Thats pretty tough for commuters, professional drivers, service people ... since it is so hard to go 2 years without getting a single one. I know my dad used to keep an eye on his account all the time.

In the states I have been to driving school a few times and thus always kept at 0 points.

In Germany I have had my license revoked once (it was an immediate offense that caused suspension of the license without having to have 13 points). I got it back after 9 months but that was a pretty tough time Yell

Speeding tickets in Germany are kind of funny. Since they have automated the process, you may not even know you got photographed. So one day you will march to your mailbox and find a nice letter. You open it and kaboom, a ticket. On it are 3 photographs. The car with the speed, an enlargement of the license plate and an enlargement of the driver (passenger blacked out for privacy).

I guess you get points in most countries. The way they handle foreigners may be different. If you get a ticket in another country, your countries point system may apply to you, depending if they report it or not. So you might get off easy.

There are some ways to dispute a ticket here in the US, but my cases were always too clear and too close to home.

Remember, the best thing is always to stay below the speed limit. But believe me, thats easier said then done Wink.

Andre

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  tay   
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Our point system here in

Our point system here in Australia seems to be similar to yours in Germany only difference is we dont have to go to driving school to get them back every three years you automaticly get your points back. It used to be that if you got booked in one State say Queensland and you lived in NSW you didnt lose any points because you where out of state but you still had to pay the fine. They have changed that now If you get booked in one state it will effect your licence no matter where you come from.




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no its exactly the same

tay wrote:
...only difference is we dont have to go to driving school to get them back every three years you automaticly get your points back...

This is exactly the same as in Germany, except there its 2 years without any offense. This means if you get another point during the two years the counter resets which is quite annoying. The only way to go over the limit is to do traffic school.

Just today I read an article in the German news about a new industry. Basically if you got blitzed (the German word for flashed by the traffic camera), you can now find a person your age who will claim he/she drove and take the blame (at a pretty hefty price). Even though lying in these matters is a serious offense, they are hardly ever caught.

If there is no such service in Australia, you should offer it online and get rich with this idea Wink (make sure to give me a percentage Money mouth)

Andre

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You guys just need to drive

You guys just need to drive slower to avoid trouble with the LAW Tongue out